While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? 16. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. Im not responsible for how its perceived. 42. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. 50. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist We believe that all the saved should live in such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Savior and Lord; and, that separation from all religius apostasy, all worldly and sinful pleasures, practices and associations is commanded of God (II Timothy 3:1-5; Romans 12:1, 2, 14:13; I John 2:15-17; II John 9-11; II Corinthians 6:14-7:1). The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. Neither should control the other. 8. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. Well I am a little confused. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. We believe that the ecumenical movement is a demonic attempt to unite all Christian denominations around experience to the disregard of biblical doctrine. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. People can ask for clarification if they want. Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. I was sincerely disappointed. They are counting on your service and tithe. We are happily married today blessed with 2 more children. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. 2. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve Did you read it? If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. The tradition of men, human opinion, false science, religious creeds, nor popular opinion override the plain teaching of God's Word. The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. I dont know what Daves intentions were. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. 55. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. Its my calling and my ministry. Thats sweet. All rights reserved. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). Praise the lord for forgiveness. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. Good point Steve! I must put it in Jesus Christ. 7. If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. Simply not true. WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. We cant save people, only God can. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. God has given each institution specific Biblical responsibilities and has balanced those responsibilities with the understanding that no institution has the right to infringe upon the other. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. An independent Baptist Missionary (24 years in Romania) has posted a site The Laymans Biblical Handbook. More than 200 doctrines at http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/ On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. Yes. We will never attain that on this side. Im mocking IFB beliefs many of which arent scriptural. You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. 5 Everything they do is for show. 15 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. 21. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. They were so grieved by the fact that they had broken a 30+ year record of being at church three times a week. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. If you believe that doing, saying, thinking, etc. My ministry isnt to the lost, its to help heal those whove been hurt by the IFB. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. Matthew 6:14-15 The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 22. Or preferring the KJV? Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. [11] Also in June 2019, Grayson Fritts, pastor at New IFB-affiliated All Scripture Baptist Church and a former detective for the Knox County, Tennessee, Sheriff's Office, delivered a sermon calling for the execution of gays.[12]. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. 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Mind your own business. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly I was told that I could not work in one of my passionate ministries, infant, toddler, and 3-4 year olds because of something I did in my past 14 years ago and pastor told me I have to prove myself first. WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. 47. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism. When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. Does the lord convict me when I miss? We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. We as a couple decided to do things biblical. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. If you think that the hymnal in the pew is inspired by God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 23. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? Ephesians 2:8-9 The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. You might Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5. Hmm, I cant think of a better word to describe the workings of the IFB! This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. He is the Head of the church. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. 30. 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye. If you refuse to use any other Bible version than the KJV because you think its either too worldly, sinful or less accurate,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 4. What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. 51. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Everyone has sent in their life. For example, #54. We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. I will have to argue that while on vacation we just go to church somewhere else rather than dashing home. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. Hypocrites! 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. WebActs 15:36,41; 16:5; I Corinthians 16:1; Galatians 1:1-3; Revelation 1:4, 10, 11. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. They had made an idol out of church attendance. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. I prefer Kjv! Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. 12. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. 9. I have no position or opinion of this There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. If Just As I Am causes you to repent and go to the altar, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. That makes no sense. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture.